1 00:00:04,430 --> 00:00:02,419 hi everybody I'm bill burns yeah nancy 2 00:00:07,579 --> 00:00:04,440 burns here I work in future theater and 3 00:00:11,629 --> 00:00:07,589 you know we like to listen to mmm radio 4 00:00:15,020 --> 00:00:11,639 on sunday nights at nine p.m. at 9pm 5 00:00:18,050 --> 00:00:15,030 what o.o the best network on the whole 6 00:00:20,210 --> 00:00:18,060 entire internet inception radio network 7 00:00:28,750 --> 00:00:20,220 you're locked into inception radio 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:01:07,270 me 9 00:01:18,350 --> 00:01:11,080 now get ready to have your radio those 10 00:01:24,900 --> 00:01:20,820 welcome welcome planet earth to paying 11 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:24,910 radio tonight is sunday january 11 2015 12 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:27,850 welcome to the show tonight we have on 13 00:01:35,370 --> 00:01:30,250 mark dantonio going over his you 14 00:01:37,830 --> 00:01:35,380 photography talking about how we're 15 00:01:40,380 --> 00:01:37,840 gonna monitor the skies and see these 16 00:01:41,790 --> 00:01:40,390 craft in a whole bunch of technology 17 00:01:45,090 --> 00:01:41,800 stuff so this is going to be fun show 18 00:01:47,580 --> 00:01:45,100 along with me tonight I have my sidekick 19 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:47,590 mr. Ken Storch welcome to the show can 20 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:51,130 hey welcome and congratulations to you 21 00:01:57,930 --> 00:01:55,930 Packer backers out there nice job oh I'm 22 00:01:59,550 --> 00:01:57,940 looking forward to the night show yeah 23 00:02:03,030 --> 00:01:59,560 yeah this is gonna this is going to be a 24 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:03,040 great show so mark mark is the head 25 00:02:09,359 --> 00:02:05,890 photo annal analyst for MUFON and he 26 00:02:10,889 --> 00:02:09,369 does on his own company to with FX model 27 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:10,899 so it's going to be fun having mark on 28 00:02:15,180 --> 00:02:13,450 tonight according to the bio it says 29 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:15,190 he's going to be analyzing some YouTube 30 00:02:20,790 --> 00:02:17,410 video um we won't be doing that we don't 31 00:02:23,130 --> 00:02:20,800 know how that got into the stream or the 32 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:23,140 promo but not mark is gonna be talking 33 00:02:27,750 --> 00:02:25,090 about his technology only tonight so we 34 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:27,760 will we have no way to analyze move are 35 00:02:31,110 --> 00:02:29,530 actually video unless mark sitting next 36 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:31,120 to me in the room here so let's just 37 00:02:34,530 --> 00:02:32,890 thinking a workout so Ken who do you got 38 00:02:40,979 --> 00:02:34,540 your shout outs for tonight well I want 39 00:02:43,289 --> 00:02:40,989 to say a salute and howdy to George and 40 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:43,299 Patty they're out there in Missouri and 41 00:02:50,070 --> 00:02:45,730 the Ozark and that goes for Doug and a 42 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:50,080 special shout out to Lorna LePage she 43 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:53,530 does a good job of looking up and doing 44 00:02:57,479 --> 00:02:55,090 some work for me so I appreciate it 45 00:03:00,810 --> 00:02:57,489 Lorna absolutely thank you very much and 46 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:00,820 some exciting news to on our show on the 47 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:03,610 twenty-fifth we have locked in James 48 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:05,370 Clarkson so he's going to be on the show 49 00:03:09,449 --> 00:03:07,810 that'll be a coach standing no good one 50 00:03:11,699 --> 00:03:09,459 to it and we can thank Lorna for that 51 00:03:13,530 --> 00:03:11,709 that yep there you go I and we 52 00:03:15,570 --> 00:03:13,540 appreciate the help Lorna that that we 53 00:03:17,100 --> 00:03:15,580 were getting some high quality guests I 54 00:03:18,690 --> 00:03:17,110 mean we're learning we're getting the 55 00:03:19,979 --> 00:03:18,700 word out here this is well yeah and you 56 00:03:21,870 --> 00:03:19,989 know what I'm glad you brought that up 57 00:03:24,270 --> 00:03:21,880 MJ because you know I'm talking to 58 00:03:26,069 --> 00:03:24,280 people like Doug and George if you guys 59 00:03:27,479 --> 00:03:26,079 would like to have a topic or a guest 60 00:03:28,650 --> 00:03:27,489 that you'd like to hear it and get it to 61 00:03:31,260 --> 00:03:28,660 us right yep 62 00:03:33,110 --> 00:03:31,270 or or you can actually messaged us at 63 00:03:35,370 --> 00:03:33,120 inception radio network @ gmail.com 64 00:03:37,110 --> 00:03:35,380 throw it on our Facebook page you got a 65 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:37,120 good idea for a guest we'll do our 66 00:03:41,490 --> 00:03:38,890 damnedest to get them on the air for you 67 00:03:43,290 --> 00:03:41,500 so it I mean we'll do what we can we got 68 00:03:44,970 --> 00:03:43,300 we definitely were talking before the 69 00:03:46,470 --> 00:03:44,980 show we can't get them will make it up 70 00:03:49,290 --> 00:03:46,480 how's that yeah yeah we're definitely 71 00:03:50,730 --> 00:03:49,300 talking about some high-profile guests 72 00:03:53,010 --> 00:03:50,740 that and that you know may be a 73 00:03:54,660 --> 00:03:53,020 possibility but right you know you know 74 00:03:56,340 --> 00:03:54,670 we may have to pitch in the pot for this 75 00:04:00,270 --> 00:03:56,350 some of them people but it is what it is 76 00:04:03,780 --> 00:04:00,280 yep yep but yeah absolutely to all of 77 00:04:05,790 --> 00:04:03,790 our listeners you guys have a specific 78 00:04:08,790 --> 00:04:05,800 topic or a guest that would you like to 79 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:08,800 explore let's do it and I'm and I'm 80 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:10,930 looking for tonight this other I'm gonna 81 00:04:13,770 --> 00:04:12,370 find this interesting I think right 82 00:04:15,420 --> 00:04:13,780 right and there and there's there's so 83 00:04:17,130 --> 00:04:15,430 many topics we can cover out there I 84 00:04:19,470 --> 00:04:17,140 mean I think we're I think we're due for 85 00:04:21,810 --> 00:04:19,480 a Bigfoot show can i I'm gonna see who 86 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:21,820 we can get into talk some Bigfoot I if 87 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:23,530 you've ever heard of Steve calls ah 88 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:25,210 that's Squatch I'd like to get Jeff 89 00:04:34,980 --> 00:04:30,850 Milgram yeah there you go I know he has 90 00:04:39,210 --> 00:04:34,990 a sketch of what I saw in western 91 00:04:41,310 --> 00:04:39,220 Pennsylvania and a cast of of a print 92 00:04:43,950 --> 00:04:41,320 that we found you know I'm as I told I 93 00:04:46,350 --> 00:04:43,960 didn't see that creature make that print 94 00:04:48,390 --> 00:04:46,360 but you know he just have to do a little 95 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:48,400 bit of deducting and maybe you come up 96 00:04:52,380 --> 00:04:50,890 with to the same conclusion but he has a 97 00:04:54,780 --> 00:04:52,390 cast of that I'd like to get him on oh 98 00:04:56,550 --> 00:04:54,790 yeah oh yeah this little little little 99 00:04:58,260 --> 00:04:56,560 tough to do any investigating in the 100 00:05:00,960 --> 00:04:58,270 North Woods with all the snow but you 101 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:00,970 know it's still going on down south I 102 00:05:05,190 --> 00:05:02,890 mean where you get your warmer climates 103 00:05:07,110 --> 00:05:05,200 and I haven't seen any big reports or 104 00:05:09,510 --> 00:05:07,120 anything I usually have a news wire and 105 00:05:11,490 --> 00:05:09,520 I don't make it to the Bigfoot you know 106 00:05:17,220 --> 00:05:11,500 sites as much as I should I should get 107 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:17,230 some alerts somehow you know I I don't 108 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:21,010 either to be honest with you I I do well 109 00:05:25,260 --> 00:05:22,690 I don't spend that much time on the net 110 00:05:28,500 --> 00:05:25,270 begin with i'm outside most of the time 111 00:05:30,090 --> 00:05:28,510 and I like doing investigations out the 112 00:05:34,740 --> 00:05:30,100 field I like being out the field looking 113 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:34,750 seeing what I combined mhm and that's 114 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:36,310 hard to do on the net but on the same 115 00:05:42,239 --> 00:05:39,490 way I don't go to a lot of Bigfoot sites 116 00:05:43,889 --> 00:05:42,249 or you know but I will if something flat 117 00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:43,899 is a cross on the drudge report or 118 00:05:48,149 --> 00:05:45,969 something like that and you know such as 119 00:05:49,409 --> 00:05:48,159 my eye yeah yeah i have i have google 120 00:05:51,529 --> 00:05:49,419 alerts that up sold once in a while 121 00:05:53,579 --> 00:05:51,539 again in i catch hey did you see that 122 00:05:56,729 --> 00:05:53,589 fireball that came in over Southern 123 00:05:59,659 --> 00:05:56,739 California and then an object looked 124 00:06:02,249 --> 00:05:59,669 like I call it an escape pod and it went 125 00:06:03,899 --> 00:06:02,259 180 degrees in the other direction and 126 00:06:06,329 --> 00:06:03,909 it actually was gaining altitude as it 127 00:06:07,709 --> 00:06:06,339 was leaving the fireball I I did see 128 00:06:09,239 --> 00:06:07,719 that cannon I thought I came across 129 00:06:13,019 --> 00:06:09,249 something on the wire saying that 130 00:06:15,329 --> 00:06:13,029 someone made that video was a hoax I I 131 00:06:17,489 --> 00:06:15,339 didn't check I I haven't i've got the 132 00:06:19,589 --> 00:06:17,499 link i haven't looked into it but I mean 133 00:06:21,419 --> 00:06:19,599 it was some spectacular video you are 134 00:06:23,969 --> 00:06:21,429 correct i mean the pod went backwards as 135 00:06:28,949 --> 00:06:23,979 they oh yeah you know and once again MJ 136 00:06:31,919 --> 00:06:28,959 that that's the problem with technology 137 00:06:34,109 --> 00:06:31,929 at that stage it was a little bit harder 138 00:06:36,119 --> 00:06:34,119 to do that if it was being shot on 35 139 00:06:40,859 --> 00:06:36,129 millimeter film or 16-millimeter film 140 00:06:43,049 --> 00:06:40,869 and and but in today's technology maybe 141 00:06:44,759 --> 00:06:43,059 with all the hardware out there I could 142 00:06:47,339 --> 00:06:44,769 see something like that being hoaxed 143 00:06:49,679 --> 00:06:47,349 yeah I through I through the link up on 144 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:49,689 inception radio networks Facebook page 145 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:51,849 that it could have been a hoax I haven't 146 00:06:55,469 --> 00:06:53,649 read deep into it so I always lit I 147 00:06:58,409 --> 00:06:55,479 always let the fans take a look at the 148 00:07:00,419 --> 00:06:58,419 link so any UFO or Bigfoot earning 149 00:07:01,739 --> 00:07:00,429 updates so I always always like putting 150 00:07:03,059 --> 00:07:01,749 a little question in front of the link 151 00:07:04,649 --> 00:07:03,069 it's like what do you think so I like 152 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:04,659 it's fun when we get a nice stream of 153 00:07:08,459 --> 00:07:06,969 people with their thoughts and yeah well 154 00:07:11,699 --> 00:07:08,469 I'm not a video expert and I certainly 155 00:07:13,169 --> 00:07:11,709 you know my strong suit doesn't lie in 156 00:07:15,269 --> 00:07:13,179 that area but I thought it was very 157 00:07:16,829 --> 00:07:15,279 interesting I I don't know if it was 158 00:07:18,869 --> 00:07:16,839 hoaxed or not I couldn't say one way or 159 00:07:21,269 --> 00:07:18,879 the other right right right I agree and 160 00:07:23,069 --> 00:07:21,279 in that object going backwards i mean it 161 00:07:25,319 --> 00:07:23,079 it literally just took off the complete 162 00:07:26,609 --> 00:07:25,329 opposite direction of the look like a 163 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:26,619 kind of looked like a fireball going 164 00:07:30,329 --> 00:07:28,329 across the sky and i thought it was an 165 00:07:31,949 --> 00:07:30,339 escape pod yeah i'm wondering if it 166 00:07:33,719 --> 00:07:31,959 wasn't military that it was one of the 167 00:07:35,639 --> 00:07:33,729 space planes in the and that was an 168 00:07:37,259 --> 00:07:35,649 injection ejection coming off the side 169 00:07:39,449 --> 00:07:37,269 and that and that went you know that 170 00:07:41,039 --> 00:07:39,459 went well what about almost 180 degrees 171 00:07:42,629 --> 00:07:41,049 away from the object traveling the other 172 00:07:44,969 --> 00:07:42,639 way i mean which make which makes sense 173 00:07:46,679 --> 00:07:44,979 because if that if the craft was in 174 00:07:49,109 --> 00:07:46,689 trouble you would want to go in the 175 00:07:50,429 --> 00:07:49,119 opposite direction okay cuz you don't 176 00:07:53,489 --> 00:07:50,439 want to be with it if it's going to blow 177 00:07:55,870 --> 00:07:53,499 right right I tell you what it's aight 178 00:07:57,790 --> 00:07:55,880 after you know what we can bring mark 179 00:08:00,100 --> 00:07:57,800 right now let's get to it let's do it 180 00:08:03,450 --> 00:08:00,110 yeah let's add them to the call let's 181 00:08:07,510 --> 00:08:03,460 see here we had two contacts for Mark so 182 00:08:09,970 --> 00:08:07,520 we should have them now if I can find 183 00:08:11,470 --> 00:08:09,980 him here there he is we have them we who 184 00:08:13,690 --> 00:08:11,480 was on a show previously on the network 185 00:08:17,170 --> 00:08:13,700 but I called him and we fixed all that 186 00:08:18,490 --> 00:08:17,180 and and Mark will be with us in a second 187 00:08:22,090 --> 00:08:18,500 here so we're going to talk about you 188 00:08:24,220 --> 00:08:22,100 Fattah and marks technology on tracking 189 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:24,230 space ships over the skies of the earth 190 00:08:28,210 --> 00:08:26,210 well welcome back mark this is part two 191 00:08:29,770 --> 00:08:28,220 and this is this is your show talking 192 00:08:32,409 --> 00:08:29,780 about your technologies glad to have you 193 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:32,419 back hey great to be here thank you so 194 00:08:36,969 --> 00:08:34,130 much for having me back on how are you 195 00:08:38,890 --> 00:08:36,979 guys doing well I'm doing good on my end 196 00:08:41,230 --> 00:08:38,900 because my football team won but Ken's 197 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:41,240 team kind of laid an egg today oh yeah 198 00:08:46,030 --> 00:08:43,250 my little ponies they played instead of 199 00:08:48,340 --> 00:08:46,040 the Denver Broncos San occult right yeah 200 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:48,350 yeah the Colts would put a hurting on 201 00:08:52,570 --> 00:08:51,170 them and good for the cold hey Mark 202 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:52,580 thanks for coming on I'm looking forward 203 00:08:56,860 --> 00:08:54,770 to tonight yeah me too thank you so much 204 00:09:00,130 --> 00:08:56,870 for having me you know I um you know 205 00:09:01,390 --> 00:09:00,140 i'll let you you drive it with questions 206 00:09:03,250 --> 00:09:01,400 or if you'd like me to give an overview 207 00:09:05,290 --> 00:09:03,260 you don't and kind of let everybody know 208 00:09:06,940 --> 00:09:05,300 exactly what the shows about if you want 209 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:06,950 you told me we'd like to go yeah mark 210 00:09:10,630 --> 00:09:08,570 why don't you tell her tell her 211 00:09:12,550 --> 00:09:10,640 listeners about your technology you're 212 00:09:14,110 --> 00:09:12,560 introducing here and yeah just go ahead 213 00:09:15,970 --> 00:09:14,120 and take over and we definitely will 214 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:15,980 have questions coming in chatwal we'll 215 00:09:19,900 --> 00:09:18,290 get right to you with questions okay cuz 216 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:19,910 I'll probably wanna you know ask you 217 00:09:25,570 --> 00:09:21,770 things to it on the way it did but it 218 00:09:28,420 --> 00:09:25,580 basically you know in the UFO arena we 219 00:09:29,830 --> 00:09:28,430 have a problem and that is that we have 220 00:09:31,690 --> 00:09:29,840 people that have cell phones we have 221 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:31,700 people that have cameras of all kinds 222 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:34,250 and the problem is and it's been 223 00:09:41,770 --> 00:09:37,010 throughout the history of UFO sightings 224 00:09:46,870 --> 00:09:41,780 we only see a very few good photos or 225 00:09:50,710 --> 00:09:46,880 good videos so unfortunately we never 226 00:09:53,980 --> 00:09:50,720 get to see anything that we can truly 227 00:09:56,770 --> 00:09:53,990 say is a definitive unidentified flying 228 00:09:59,080 --> 00:09:56,780 object now there's a lot there are a lot 229 00:10:00,970 --> 00:09:59,090 of people that can talk to you about 230 00:10:03,340 --> 00:10:00,980 having been abducted there are a lot of 231 00:10:05,110 --> 00:10:03,350 people that can talk to you about having 232 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:05,120 seen things they absolutely cannot 233 00:10:09,260 --> 00:10:07,730 explain and whereas that is anecdotal 234 00:10:12,860 --> 00:10:09,270 information 235 00:10:15,830 --> 00:10:12,870 yeah and potentially as an aggregate 236 00:10:18,590 --> 00:10:15,840 evidence you know none of that will ever 237 00:10:22,940 --> 00:10:18,600 actually convince say the scientific 238 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:22,950 community that UFOs and a visitation by 239 00:10:26,930 --> 00:10:24,570 extraterrestrials is something that's 240 00:10:28,670 --> 00:10:26,940 real and the reason of course is because 241 00:10:30,890 --> 00:10:28,680 you just don't have that hands-on proof 242 00:10:33,500 --> 00:10:30,900 you don't have reproducible results you 243 00:10:35,180 --> 00:10:33,510 don't have corroboration of the data you 244 00:10:37,910 --> 00:10:35,190 don't know the words you don't have you 245 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:37,920 know five people taking five different 246 00:10:41,750 --> 00:10:40,110 photos of the same UFO hovering over 247 00:10:45,050 --> 00:10:41,760 someone's house or whatever it may be 248 00:10:46,940 --> 00:10:45,060 you just don't have that anymore yeah I 249 00:10:50,750 --> 00:10:46,950 did I just want to reject something here 250 00:10:54,490 --> 00:10:50,760 but there is empirical data there is 251 00:10:59,300 --> 00:10:54,500 scientific data that indicates that 252 00:11:01,730 --> 00:10:59,310 there is a craft and then you have to 253 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:01,740 rely on independent witnesses to verify 254 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:03,690 that but there are a number of cases 255 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:06,930 that demonstrate that why doesn't the 256 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:09,690 scientific community recognize that well 257 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:11,370 and that's that's exactly the type of 258 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:13,410 thing I'm talking about the problem is 259 00:11:19,850 --> 00:11:16,050 that that evidence isn't in the public 260 00:11:22,730 --> 00:11:19,860 domain you can't go with your kids or 261 00:11:25,580 --> 00:11:22,740 your wife or any friends and say let's 262 00:11:28,930 --> 00:11:25,590 go visit the UFO debris museum you can't 263 00:11:31,820 --> 00:11:28,940 do that because there are no actual 264 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:31,830 pieces that you can see there might be 265 00:11:37,310 --> 00:11:35,490 photos of pieces that since vanished the 266 00:11:38,660 --> 00:11:37,320 Roswell case of course and socorro and 267 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:38,670 all these other places I mean there's 268 00:11:44,180 --> 00:11:42,090 potential crash sites where these things 269 00:11:46,910 --> 00:11:44,190 have been potentially gathered and the 270 00:11:49,580 --> 00:11:46,920 data and and and debris distributed 271 00:11:52,220 --> 00:11:49,590 amongst various clandestine agencies or 272 00:11:54,890 --> 00:11:52,230 so forth and I I think that the science 273 00:11:58,280 --> 00:11:54,900 community they look at they look at that 274 00:12:00,050 --> 00:11:58,290 now let's let's leave the stigma of 275 00:12:01,850 --> 00:12:00,060 saying you believe in UFOs aside for a 276 00:12:03,530 --> 00:12:01,860 moment because that's changing a little 277 00:12:06,890 --> 00:12:03,540 bit as well as we can get to here 278 00:12:09,110 --> 00:12:06,900 shortly but I think one of the things to 279 00:12:12,370 --> 00:12:09,120 understand i think is that when you look 280 00:12:17,210 --> 00:12:12,380 at the scientific community as a whole 281 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:17,220 they're very stoic in general i'm a very 282 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:20,370 scientific guy and I and I probably am 283 00:12:25,460 --> 00:12:23,130 not like you 284 00:12:28,340 --> 00:12:25,470 a typical stoic kind of a guy I'm just 285 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:28,350 not that way and it's because I have 286 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:30,650 this passion and enthusiasm about 287 00:12:36,260 --> 00:12:33,530 extraterrestrial life because I think 288 00:12:38,420 --> 00:12:36,270 the universe is predisposed to the 289 00:12:41,180 --> 00:12:38,430 creation to life you know my book will 290 00:12:43,370 --> 00:12:41,190 be out you know hopefully in a couple 291 00:12:46,610 --> 00:12:43,380 months here I keep saying that but I 292 00:12:48,290 --> 00:12:46,620 finally have a handle on it and it's 293 00:12:51,050 --> 00:12:48,300 going to discuss the scientific search 294 00:12:53,660 --> 00:12:51,060 for extraterrestrial life and why the 295 00:12:55,730 --> 00:12:53,670 media should they understand what was 296 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:55,740 written here in this book would be able 297 00:12:59,630 --> 00:12:57,930 to sort of sign on with us and say hey 298 00:13:02,780 --> 00:12:59,640 yeah the science is indicating that 299 00:13:06,020 --> 00:13:02,790 there might really be you know a 300 00:13:07,460 --> 00:13:06,030 possibility that they exist now we 301 00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:07,470 already know that many scientists on 302 00:13:12,380 --> 00:13:08,880 earth say we know they exist elsewhere 303 00:13:14,090 --> 00:13:12,390 this is this is an amazing change it's 304 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:14,100 an amazing change and that's based on 305 00:13:18,110 --> 00:13:16,170 the exoplanet research now that's my 306 00:13:19,940 --> 00:13:18,120 topic of specialty is the exoplanet 307 00:13:22,820 --> 00:13:19,950 that's right my degree was astronomy as 308 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:22,830 you know and so after schools after the 309 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:24,450 schooling was done I actually started to 310 00:13:29,390 --> 00:13:26,370 focus on exoplanets and that's where 311 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:29,400 I've been living and you know that's 312 00:13:34,850 --> 00:13:31,650 been since gosh the first one was found 313 00:13:37,670 --> 00:13:34,860 in 1988 and that's you know i graduated 314 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:37,680 in 83 so i was still five years away 315 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:39,810 from the first confirmed exoplanet but 316 00:13:44,990 --> 00:13:42,570 that's okay the truth is the scientific 317 00:13:46,940 --> 00:13:45,000 community has a now understands that 318 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:46,950 exoplanets exist they also see them in 319 00:13:51,220 --> 00:13:48,690 the habitable zones the Goldilocks zone 320 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:51,230 around the Stars where they reside and 321 00:13:57,980 --> 00:13:55,710 they are now saying science is that the 322 00:14:01,100 --> 00:13:57,990 possibility of life is actually quite 323 00:14:03,830 --> 00:14:01,110 good no one's going as far as to say 324 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:03,840 intelligent life why you know it Marco 325 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:06,450 can let me out let me since you're a 326 00:14:12,050 --> 00:14:10,290 scientist and and I approached the CID 327 00:14:15,140 --> 00:14:12,060 nygma from a little bit of a different 328 00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:15,150 angle my backgrounds a cop and you know 329 00:14:19,550 --> 00:14:18,000 I and and I'm a simple cup you know if 330 00:14:21,950 --> 00:14:19,560 it walks like a duck and quacks like a 331 00:14:23,870 --> 00:14:21,960 duck then damn it it it i'm pretty sure 332 00:14:26,030 --> 00:14:23,880 it's got to be a duck right but you can 333 00:14:27,620 --> 00:14:26,040 speak to evidence and that's it I not 334 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:27,630 sure you're going right yeah exactly 335 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:30,210 what and so I'm gonna pose this question 336 00:14:36,350 --> 00:14:32,970 to you because you are a scientist all 337 00:14:37,070 --> 00:14:36,360 right my level of proof is first off 338 00:14:43,010 --> 00:14:37,080 reasonable 339 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:43,020 that et is not only out there but ETS 340 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:46,050 coming here yeah okay and then my next 341 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:51,690 level of proof is a takes it up to 342 00:15:01,520 --> 00:14:56,370 another level and that is probable cause 343 00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:01,530 I have probable cause to believe that MJ 344 00:15:08,930 --> 00:15:06,240 is a hybrid okay and then my next level 345 00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:08,940 okay is proof beyond a reasonable doubt 346 00:15:15,940 --> 00:15:12,720 so if i were as a investigator were to 347 00:15:19,340 --> 00:15:15,950 bring to you the scientific community i 348 00:15:21,380 --> 00:15:19,350 can bring it to proof beyond a 349 00:15:23,570 --> 00:15:21,390 reasonable doubt and I can prove that 350 00:15:24,770 --> 00:15:23,580 and I and I've ran into this before 351 00:15:27,410 --> 00:15:24,780 because I've been told well you know 352 00:15:29,570 --> 00:15:27,420 science their level of standard and 353 00:15:32,450 --> 00:15:29,580 prove ability is higher and I get that 354 00:15:35,270 --> 00:15:32,460 but wouldn't that trigger the curiosity 355 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:35,280 of the scientific community that if you 356 00:15:38,210 --> 00:15:36,570 were to bring them proof beyond a 357 00:15:40,610 --> 00:15:38,220 reasonable doubt that they would not go 358 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:40,620 and try and seek that higher level to 359 00:15:45,350 --> 00:15:43,110 prove or disprove science moves at the 360 00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:45,360 speed of the slowest ship in the convoy 361 00:15:50,780 --> 00:15:47,040 and you know you're right yeah you're 362 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:50,790 around let me let me explain uh and let 363 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:52,050 me pose it to you this way with another 364 00:15:59,330 --> 00:15:56,610 question okay how do you know that the 365 00:16:01,490 --> 00:15:59,340 scientific research programs looking for 366 00:16:04,810 --> 00:16:01,500 exoplanets didn't start precisely 367 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:04,820 because scientists were also saying I 368 00:16:09,710 --> 00:16:07,410 really want to know whether there's life 369 00:16:12,380 --> 00:16:09,720 out there but this established that we 370 00:16:14,930 --> 00:16:12,390 first have to look for the world's they 371 00:16:17,510 --> 00:16:14,940 may live on and we know that we can get 372 00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:17,520 a handle on that now and I think that's 373 00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:19,440 where we're going and I really believe 374 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:21,600 in and I'm writing a blog post now 375 00:16:27,230 --> 00:16:24,210 because I'm also writing from the 376 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:27,240 science desk of a very well known place 377 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:29,010 that has been published at so I mom I 378 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:30,090 can say anything until it actually is 379 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:34,890 but the the star trek Federation of 380 00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:38,370 Planets a science fiction but we're kind 381 00:16:42,860 --> 00:16:40,710 of moving in that direction aren't we in 382 00:16:46,220 --> 00:16:42,870 a sense because we are looking for 383 00:16:48,740 --> 00:16:46,230 habitable worlds where life sort of like 384 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:48,750 us carbon-based life that requires the 385 00:16:54,439 --> 00:16:50,850 not so hot not so cold location too 386 00:16:59,030 --> 00:16:54,449 survive God luck right exactly and we're 387 00:17:00,769 --> 00:16:59,040 looking for alien life we are looking 388 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:00,779 for planets but what's the purpose of 389 00:17:05,449 --> 00:17:02,970 the search the purpose of the search is 390 00:17:08,539 --> 00:17:05,459 to find another planet like Earth where 391 00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:08,549 and you finish the sentence there's life 392 00:17:14,569 --> 00:17:13,199 exactly where life may exist and now we 393 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:14,579 are very familiar with the earth we're 394 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:16,770 familiar with our atmospheric processes 395 00:17:21,890 --> 00:17:20,010 we know how our planet forms I mean 600 396 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:21,900 you know 70 million years ago this 397 00:17:26,329 --> 00:17:24,089 planet was a giant ball of ice it was a 398 00:17:28,100 --> 00:17:26,339 snowball all right it didn't even though 399 00:17:29,810 --> 00:17:28,110 it's in the habitable zone so you know 400 00:17:31,340 --> 00:17:29,820 planets go through this evolution it's 401 00:17:32,779 --> 00:17:31,350 rather amazing and that's not the first 402 00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:32,789 time that's happened here we've actually 403 00:17:36,649 --> 00:17:34,320 had that several times in our past 404 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:36,659 history we've had life nearly wiped out 405 00:17:42,980 --> 00:17:39,690 or five times in our in our history yeah 406 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:42,990 here we are now had those extinction 407 00:17:49,220 --> 00:17:45,210 events not occurred the likelihood that 408 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:49,230 we would be here bipedal with two eyes 409 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:51,210 at this exact separation with hands with 410 00:17:55,070 --> 00:17:54,330 five fingers might be changed and it 411 00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:55,080 doesn't mean that we would be 412 00:17:59,270 --> 00:17:57,120 intelligent see I don't I tell people 413 00:18:03,409 --> 00:17:59,280 intelligence isn't a destination it's a 414 00:18:05,570 --> 00:18:03,419 path a potential path now the most 415 00:18:07,070 --> 00:18:05,580 successful creature on earth and this is 416 00:18:08,330 --> 00:18:07,080 not a side track this does relate to 417 00:18:10,039 --> 00:18:08,340 what we're talking about the most 418 00:18:11,570 --> 00:18:10,049 successful creature on earth that's been 419 00:18:14,210 --> 00:18:11,580 around for the longest you know what it 420 00:18:17,060 --> 00:18:14,220 is I guarantee you can answer the wrong 421 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:17,070 one but but go ahead take a stab at me 422 00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:21,510 ba-- okay that's your thought hey I was 423 00:18:24,890 --> 00:18:23,280 thinking I don't know I'd be honest with 424 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:24,900 you it's something around the longest a 425 00:18:28,669 --> 00:18:26,970 tree I don't know well I mean in terms 426 00:18:30,260 --> 00:18:28,679 of the most successful life form on 427 00:18:33,169 --> 00:18:30,270 earth it has no the thing has remained 428 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:33,179 the most unchanged throughout the 429 00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:36,090 history of the earth bacteria that's 430 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:37,710 exactly what you want to say and that's 431 00:18:43,669 --> 00:18:41,610 not true it's a trick question the 432 00:18:47,149 --> 00:18:43,679 answer is you ready for this the most 433 00:18:52,789 --> 00:18:47,159 successful creature beyond single cell 434 00:18:55,100 --> 00:18:52,799 is the earthworm now the earthworm has 435 00:18:57,110 --> 00:18:55,110 been unchanged for almost seven hundred 436 00:19:01,250 --> 00:18:57,120 million years basically in terms of our 437 00:19:03,130 --> 00:19:01,260 history if you look through the lady not 438 00:19:04,490 --> 00:19:03,140 just a fossil record but if you look 439 00:19:05,780 --> 00:19:04,500 genetically 440 00:19:07,730 --> 00:19:05,790 okay the earthworm has remained 441 00:19:11,030 --> 00:19:07,740 relatively unchanged however it never 442 00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:11,040 developed intelligence did it no see it 443 00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:13,440 wasn't selected naturally for 444 00:19:17,570 --> 00:19:15,600 intelligence for reasons that I can't 445 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:17,580 answer because I don't I can't speak to 446 00:19:21,020 --> 00:19:19,890 the conditions all along the way but the 447 00:19:23,030 --> 00:19:21,030 earthworm's one of the most successful 448 00:19:25,010 --> 00:19:23,040 creatures dimo well then let me ask you 449 00:19:28,430 --> 00:19:25,020 something how then what happened to 450 00:19:30,620 --> 00:19:28,440 evolution it hasn't evolved in some 451 00:19:32,510 --> 00:19:30,630 cases there are animals that we know we 452 00:19:35,810 --> 00:19:32,520 now see in a present day that have 453 00:19:39,890 --> 00:19:35,820 remained relatively unchanged but it's 454 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:39,900 kinda like a we say it always seemed to 455 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:41,730 be the same they're always the same 456 00:19:46,820 --> 00:19:43,050 aren't they you know the uninvolved 457 00:19:48,290 --> 00:19:46,830 right well the truth is that although 458 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:48,300 our politicians may be like our 459 00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:50,490 earthworms um and they don't have as 460 00:19:54,770 --> 00:19:52,080 many hearts we know some don't have any 461 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:54,780 but that's beside the point now part of 462 00:19:59,810 --> 00:19:56,810 the problem though is when we look at 463 00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:59,820 the unchanged earthworm you know we're 464 00:20:03,170 --> 00:20:00,960 looking at several hundred million years 465 00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:03,180 but the Earth's been here for four point 466 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:06,480 six billion alright and life started 467 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:09,210 around 3.8 billion years ago with those 468 00:20:15,140 --> 00:20:12,930 cyanobacteria and in terms of the 469 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:15,150 changes of the earth when you measure it 470 00:20:19,310 --> 00:20:17,310 by the metrics of how an earthworm is 471 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:19,320 survived and so forth they rise to the 472 00:20:22,130 --> 00:20:20,730 top is the most successful even though 473 00:20:26,210 --> 00:20:22,140 they're below our feet which is really 474 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:26,220 rather fascinating to me but that 475 00:20:33,050 --> 00:20:29,250 creature never developed intelligence we 476 00:20:36,260 --> 00:20:33,060 did now the path to intelligence is very 477 00:20:38,540 --> 00:20:36,270 I mean Neanderthal and you know Homo 478 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:38,550 erectus and you know the earlier 479 00:20:44,330 --> 00:20:42,090 hominids they didn't reach that that 480 00:20:46,670 --> 00:20:44,340 crescendo that we seem to have enjoyed 481 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:46,680 it had to do perhaps with cranial 482 00:20:51,950 --> 00:20:49,650 capacity and so forth although dolphins 483 00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:51,960 have bigger brains and ours so who knows 484 00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:53,310 they might be talking about us behind 485 00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:54,960 our backs we never know what they're 486 00:21:02,510 --> 00:20:59,520 talking about but life on other worlds 487 00:21:06,380 --> 00:21:02,520 versus ours will have the same kind of 488 00:21:08,169 --> 00:21:06,390 hurdles to clear in order to reach a 489 00:21:10,659 --> 00:21:08,179 place where they can 490 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:10,669 where they can actually be intelligent 491 00:21:18,609 --> 00:21:14,210 and again it's a it's a path not a 492 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:18,619 guaranteed destination now we me and and 493 00:21:26,169 --> 00:21:22,369 Doug Trumbull and our science team we 494 00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:26,179 believe that there are many 495 00:21:32,580 --> 00:21:29,600 civilizations in our galaxy and beyond 496 00:21:35,769 --> 00:21:32,590 that may have very well risen to the top 497 00:21:39,489 --> 00:21:35,779 galactically and cosmically that is 498 00:21:42,159 --> 00:21:39,499 universally and past all the hurdles 499 00:21:45,820 --> 00:21:42,169 that may have been on their planet and 500 00:21:47,230 --> 00:21:45,830 that they may have encountered and found 501 00:21:49,570 --> 00:21:47,240 a place where they could actually reach 502 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:49,580 the technological levels that we now see 503 00:21:55,749 --> 00:21:53,690 kind of on our distant horizon and we've 504 00:21:56,980 --> 00:21:55,759 only been here for a tiny sliver of time 505 00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:56,990 I don't know if I mentioned this last 506 00:22:03,369 --> 00:22:00,559 time but I have a history of the earth I 507 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:03,379 do now the universe is 13.8 billion 508 00:22:07,450 --> 00:22:05,690 years old in the latest estimate and the 509 00:22:09,730 --> 00:22:07,460 earth has only been here four point six 510 00:22:11,409 --> 00:22:09,740 billion of those so really it's just 511 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:11,419 over a third of the way into the 512 00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:13,610 universe's you know the latter third of 513 00:22:17,049 --> 00:22:15,110 the universe is time that that we've 514 00:22:19,629 --> 00:22:17,059 come about but about those other two 515 00:22:22,810 --> 00:22:19,639 thirds now the first time planets formed 516 00:22:24,519 --> 00:22:22,820 was probably you know a short time after 517 00:22:26,350 --> 00:22:24,529 the Big Bang but but long enough after 518 00:22:28,509 --> 00:22:26,360 that there was enough material that type 519 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:28,519 you know because the entire periodic 520 00:22:33,159 --> 00:22:31,490 table of elements that we know and have 521 00:22:34,539 --> 00:22:33,169 in and it's beneath our feet and 522 00:22:38,619 --> 00:22:34,549 everything has come from the cores of 523 00:22:41,289 --> 00:22:38,629 stars so everything in the universe that 524 00:22:43,810 --> 00:22:41,299 is supplied to us as a raw material for 525 00:22:46,659 --> 00:22:43,820 a planet or anything we make has come 526 00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:46,669 from a star at one point or another and 527 00:22:51,129 --> 00:22:48,710 then we assemble those atoms into 528 00:22:53,919 --> 00:22:51,139 materials that we can use I just always 529 00:22:58,570 --> 00:22:53,929 found that just to be an amazing factoid 530 00:23:00,190 --> 00:22:58,580 but when we try to figure out how you 531 00:23:03,159 --> 00:23:00,200 know a civilization would develop with 532 00:23:05,980 --> 00:23:03,169 some level of intelligence we we make an 533 00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:05,990 estimate we say well in our galaxy based 534 00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:08,480 on the findings of the exoplanet so far 535 00:23:15,460 --> 00:23:11,840 you know we're looking at somewhere 536 00:23:19,239 --> 00:23:15,470 between 17 and 20 billion billion with a 537 00:23:21,580 --> 00:23:19,249 besom Bravo earth-like planets just in 538 00:23:22,090 --> 00:23:21,590 our galaxy right on base based on our 539 00:23:24,150 --> 00:23:22,100 current 540 00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:24,160 testicle study now if that's the case 541 00:23:28,779 --> 00:23:27,110 think about what that means you know the 542 00:23:31,659 --> 00:23:28,789 Hubble Space Telescope took a thumbnail 543 00:23:34,330 --> 00:23:31,669 size view of the sky and in that tiny 544 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:34,340 thumbnail it counted ten thousand plus 545 00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:36,530 galaxies just in that little tiny area 546 00:23:41,710 --> 00:23:39,289 of space many of those galaxies are much 547 00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:41,720 much larger than our Milky Way and some 548 00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:45,700 are smaller but the fact is there are 549 00:23:53,010 --> 00:23:49,520 trillions of galaxies and there's life i 550 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:53,020 want my point is when you look at a 551 00:24:02,350 --> 00:23:57,890 statistical convergence there might be a 552 00:24:03,730 --> 00:24:02,360 canal Larry out there exactly right now 553 00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,740 just sitting there in chairs doing 554 00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,600 exactly the same kind of things that 555 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:08,240 we're doing here oh there's too many 556 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:11,330 look out okay yeah I mean I bet that's 557 00:24:14,860 --> 00:24:13,130 obviously a joke because you have wrote 558 00:24:18,669 --> 00:24:14,870 that that one may have a reptilian tail 559 00:24:20,740 --> 00:24:18,679 if I don't know little boy the point 560 00:24:21,970 --> 00:24:20,750 being um there is a chance that there is 561 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:21,980 some kind of convergence like that 562 00:24:25,779 --> 00:24:24,530 statistically but and I remember 563 00:24:27,490 --> 00:24:25,789 everything i'm saying is certainly not 564 00:24:28,779 --> 00:24:27,500 factual other than the discussion of the 565 00:24:30,580 --> 00:24:28,789 actual plan everything else I 566 00:24:32,980 --> 00:24:30,590 speculative I think you're being 567 00:24:41,460 --> 00:24:32,990 conservative on your estimate I you know 568 00:24:47,230 --> 00:24:44,380 you're going down another path oh yeah 569 00:24:48,850 --> 00:24:47,240 that's what I'm saying I'm and I mean I 570 00:24:51,220 --> 00:24:48,860 I'm one of those people I think that 571 00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:51,230 there are multitude of dimensions I 572 00:24:56,289 --> 00:24:53,840 think that we're living in and one of 573 00:24:58,690 --> 00:24:56,299 them in this in this solar system but I 574 00:25:01,690 --> 00:24:58,700 think there's probably a multitude of 575 00:25:03,730 --> 00:25:01,700 dimensions and my point mark is that you 576 00:25:06,399 --> 00:25:03,740 know you were talking about life and 577 00:25:10,029 --> 00:25:06,409 everything well a civilization that just 578 00:25:12,909 --> 00:25:10,039 got a thousand-year jump on us in terms 579 00:25:14,380 --> 00:25:12,919 of discovering and finding out who and 580 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:14,390 what they are and now they are a 581 00:25:21,580 --> 00:25:16,370 thousand years down the road from where 582 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:21,590 we are today yep I can I I mean I I feel 583 00:25:27,610 --> 00:25:25,610 much less 100,000 oh yeah and I was I 584 00:25:29,230 --> 00:25:27,620 was alluding to this this little demo I 585 00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:29,240 do when I do a talk and it is that I 586 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:32,809 have the history of the earth on what I 587 00:25:35,890 --> 00:25:34,370 call a very sensitive instrument I 588 00:25:38,260 --> 00:25:35,900 actually go into the audience and endure 589 00:25:39,820 --> 00:25:38,270 them and this very sensitive instrument 590 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:39,830 I pull out of the bag and people like 591 00:25:44,350 --> 00:25:41,210 snicker because it's a roll of toilet 592 00:25:45,730 --> 00:25:44,360 paper and I've actually written on this 593 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:45,740 roll of toilet paper that I've 594 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:49,130 reinforced okay the entire history of 595 00:25:54,990 --> 00:25:52,370 the earth from formation to this room 596 00:25:57,790 --> 00:25:55,000 where we're standing in and I basically 597 00:25:59,680 --> 00:25:57,800 outline on there along the way using 598 00:26:02,400 --> 00:25:59,690 sheets of toilet paper to represent the 599 00:26:05,860 --> 00:26:02,410 millions of years of time intervals 600 00:26:07,930 --> 00:26:05,870 along each toilet paper sheet and then 601 00:26:10,030 --> 00:26:07,940 by the time we get to the end it's a 602 00:26:12,250 --> 00:26:10,040 hundred and seventeen foot long roll all 603 00:26:15,250 --> 00:26:12,260 unrolled and we're on the last sheet of 604 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:15,260 course and we're on a tiny thin line at 605 00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:17,570 the very end of the last sheet but that 606 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:20,720 tiny line is point zero one millimeter 607 00:26:25,390 --> 00:26:22,970 in thickness and and that's from the 608 00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:25,400 time of ancient Sumer five to six 609 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:28,640 thousand years ago to present day Wow CN 610 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:31,730 people look at that and then there thus 611 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:34,010 that's the first revelation the second 612 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:37,610 revelation is that an arm's length away 613 00:26:42,250 --> 00:26:40,490 from well to arm's length away from the 614 00:26:45,910 --> 00:26:42,260 big the end of that sheet where we are 615 00:26:47,860 --> 00:26:45,920 is where dinosaurs were their recent 616 00:26:49,870 --> 00:26:47,870 history on this planet they're not 617 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:49,880 ancient back at the beginning of the 618 00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:52,490 earth they came along in the middle of 619 00:26:56,290 --> 00:26:55,040 our well the dinosaurs in particular 620 00:26:58,780 --> 00:26:56,300 member dinosaurs were you know the 621 00:27:00,940 --> 00:26:58,790 Triassic Jurassic Cretaceous type time 622 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:00,950 frames but but before that yet the 623 00:27:05,950 --> 00:27:03,530 Cambrian period and so forth Permian and 624 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:05,960 those time frames the life was in the 625 00:27:11,050 --> 00:27:07,730 oceans of course and then moved to land 626 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:11,060 but when dinosaurs were killed off 65 627 00:27:17,380 --> 00:27:15,050 million years ago that is just two arms 628 00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:17,390 lengths from where we are today so they 629 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:20,000 were recent history and so that's 630 00:27:23,860 --> 00:27:21,970 another revelation people have to just 631 00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,870 realize you know what's interesting 632 00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:26,000 about that though is that not all 633 00:27:31,540 --> 00:27:29,120 reptilians were eliminated in that guy 634 00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:31,550 off and the dinosaurs it looks like only 635 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:33,440 the ones that would have competed with 636 00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:38,570 us ok cono land that's right i mean who 637 00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:40,310 knows who would have been in in you know 638 00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:42,080 denmark today it could have been you 639 00:27:46,690 --> 00:27:43,760 know a whole different type of beings 640 00:27:49,930 --> 00:27:46,700 for all we know or whatever right but so 641 00:27:52,509 --> 00:27:49,940 the point that a history though is that 642 00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,519 I show people how now in that tiny point 643 00:27:58,619 --> 00:27:55,039 01 millimeter of our entire existence 644 00:28:01,180 --> 00:27:58,629 from ancient Sumer we already see 645 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:01,190 Astrophysical horizons in this tiny 646 00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:03,769 threat of existence that can take us 647 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:06,110 anywhere in the universe in just a few 648 00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:08,210 minutes if you know string theory and 649 00:28:11,769 --> 00:28:10,220 some of the other Boston possibilities 650 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:11,779 exist you know if they're string theory 651 00:28:17,019 --> 00:28:14,450 all right and that's in that tiny sliver 652 00:28:19,570 --> 00:28:17,029 of existence now what happens and this 653 00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:19,580 is goes to your point what happens if a 654 00:28:24,639 --> 00:28:22,159 race of beings develops to toilet paper 655 00:28:28,060 --> 00:28:24,649 sheets before us okay you know several 656 00:28:30,850 --> 00:28:28,070 tens of millions of years the Kaaba yeah 657 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:30,860 totally and completely and right here 658 00:28:34,869 --> 00:28:32,809 and and they could have if they 659 00:28:38,619 --> 00:28:34,879 developed on the same sheet that we're 660 00:28:41,529 --> 00:28:38,629 on okay then they would have been able 661 00:28:43,930 --> 00:28:41,539 to in that time develop to the point 662 00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,940 where they could have seen all these 663 00:28:49,659 --> 00:28:45,679 horizons we see and surpass them and 664 00:28:52,090 --> 00:28:49,669 visited every planet in our galaxy more 665 00:28:53,710 --> 00:28:52,100 than once well so and that's just one 666 00:28:56,889 --> 00:28:53,720 civilization that could reach that point 667 00:28:58,899 --> 00:28:56,899 hey Mark yeah we got a question from 668 00:29:00,820 --> 00:28:58,909 bill in New York that kind of ties in 669 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:00,830 with what you're talking about yeah and 670 00:29:07,299 --> 00:29:04,370 that is mark wants to know do you think 671 00:29:10,269 --> 00:29:07,309 I oldest I'mI'm sorry bill right that 672 00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:10,279 you will do you believe that life will 673 00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:12,590 be discovered within our solar system 674 00:29:18,970 --> 00:29:16,000 like Europa even if it's a micro 675 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:18,980 bacterial type life-form bill thanks for 676 00:29:22,629 --> 00:29:20,330 that question that's actually a really 677 00:29:24,639 --> 00:29:22,639 good question and I'll tell you why um 678 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:24,649 in fact you know what I'm gonna I'm 679 00:29:28,299 --> 00:29:26,450 gonna make a reach here I think bill 680 00:29:30,610 --> 00:29:28,309 asked that question last time I was on I 681 00:29:33,399 --> 00:29:30,620 don't know if I got to it so how's that 682 00:29:35,649 --> 00:29:33,409 from memory nice nice yeah probably not 683 00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:35,659 that good anyway but still um beats me 684 00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:39,769 yeah right um well the answer to answer 685 00:29:44,590 --> 00:29:41,769 built built answer your question I 686 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:44,600 believe that we're kind of on the verge 687 00:29:52,269 --> 00:29:49,490 of that now some of the latest Martian 688 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:52,279 data is indicating that there could have 689 00:29:58,509 --> 00:29:56,570 been some life-forms on Mars at one 690 00:30:00,100 --> 00:29:58,519 point whether they're still there and in 691 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:00,110 the soils we don't know now this is not 692 00:30:03,549 --> 00:30:02,210 the old news this is these are some new 693 00:30:05,499 --> 00:30:03,559 develop and set right 694 00:30:08,769 --> 00:30:05,509 just been released I can't remember 695 00:30:12,129 --> 00:30:08,779 where I saw them nor whether i vetted 696 00:30:14,739 --> 00:30:12,139 them but they were should we not on you 697 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:14,749 know those the websites that you know 698 00:30:18,190 --> 00:30:16,850 are hoaxes sites or just throw anything 699 00:30:19,899 --> 00:30:18,200 out there because they'll try to make 700 00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:19,909 something stick so but that's one place 701 00:30:24,330 --> 00:30:22,129 but Europa in particular now you're open 702 00:30:28,779 --> 00:30:24,340 zamunda Jupiter okay and it's a fairly 703 00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:28,789 large moon by moon standards and has an 704 00:30:34,330 --> 00:30:31,129 ice covering on it but it's a thick ice 705 00:30:38,499 --> 00:30:34,340 mantle that underneath we think there's 706 00:30:40,379 --> 00:30:38,509 a vast 100 mile deep ocean now some of 707 00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:40,389 the studies of stuff that's coming out 708 00:30:46,930 --> 00:30:43,369 on the surface of Europa seem to 709 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:46,940 indicate that that water underneath is 710 00:30:52,180 --> 00:30:50,090 actually full of oxygen and it is 711 00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:52,190 oxygenated now we hear that we think wow 712 00:30:56,499 --> 00:30:54,110 who that might be there could be a life 713 00:30:58,180 --> 00:30:56,509 forms in there right now you gotta be 714 00:31:00,730 --> 00:30:58,190 careful with that because too much 715 00:31:02,379 --> 00:31:00,740 oxygen in the water also allows acids to 716 00:31:05,379 --> 00:31:02,389 be produced and in water could end up 717 00:31:09,940 --> 00:31:05,389 being a city you know chemically however 718 00:31:13,090 --> 00:31:09,950 in acidic pools in Yellowstone and in 719 00:31:15,879 --> 00:31:13,100 other places in the world microbial life 720 00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:15,889 is thriving in city conditions that we 721 00:31:20,529 --> 00:31:17,720 could never even tolerate for for a 722 00:31:22,930 --> 00:31:20,539 short period of time so do I think it 723 00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:22,940 can happen yes bill I do I believe that 724 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:25,369 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about is you Fatah 808 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:20,599 one reminder listeners that on january 809 00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:22,730 twenty-third and twenty-fourth we will 810 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:25,369 be broadcasting live the del real UFO 811 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:27,910 festival on ir n plus channel so be sure 812 00:36:32,410 --> 00:36:30,650 you tune in all weekend on your apps out 813 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:32,420 there on your iphones and androids and 814 00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:35,210 uh listen to a great great festival put 815 00:36:40,210 --> 00:36:38,480 on by noe torres he's good stuff so be 816 00:36:42,549 --> 00:36:40,220 sure you listen to that we're gonna get 817 00:36:44,170 --> 00:36:42,559 to a listener question here from marco 818 00:36:52,450 --> 00:36:44,180 um they basically get to the point with 819 00:36:54,279 --> 00:36:52,460 mark mark what is you photography we 820 00:36:58,779 --> 00:36:54,289 were talking about how an alien race 821 00:37:00,400 --> 00:36:58,789 might have advanced technology well that 822 00:37:02,380 --> 00:37:00,410 advanced technology comes at a price you 823 00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:02,390 have to harness lots of energy if the 824 00:37:05,380 --> 00:37:03,920 theories that are out there floating 825 00:37:07,660 --> 00:37:05,390 around in the string theory roller or 826 00:37:11,460 --> 00:37:07,670 correct in and it's possible although 827 00:37:13,299 --> 00:37:11,470 it's still very distant for us that 828 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:13,309 eventually we might be able to harness 829 00:37:18,249 --> 00:37:15,170 the amounts of energy required in order 830 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:18,259 to be able to travel basically outside 831 00:37:22,829 --> 00:37:20,210 of our dimensional space now our 832 00:37:25,539 --> 00:37:22,839 dimensions rxyz all moving through time 833 00:37:27,279 --> 00:37:25,549 alright and but there are more 834 00:37:29,799 --> 00:37:27,289 dimensions than a door but we're limited 835 00:37:31,180 --> 00:37:29,809 to those four here so when we go to 836 00:37:33,489 --> 00:37:31,190 Alpha Centauri the nearest star system 837 00:37:35,710 --> 00:37:33,499 which is four light-years away at the 838 00:37:37,809 --> 00:37:35,720 fastest speed we can go it's still going 839 00:37:43,329 --> 00:37:37,819 to take us sixteen to seventeen thousand 840 00:37:46,269 --> 00:37:43,339 years now if string theory propulsion 841 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:46,279 prospects are true then we might be able 842 00:37:50,650 --> 00:37:47,930 to get there in a few minutes by 843 00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:50,660 punching out of our four dimensional 844 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:52,910 space traveling in a different 845 00:37:57,130 --> 00:37:54,970 dimensional space and punching back in 846 00:38:01,210 --> 00:37:57,140 anywhere else in the universe we 847 00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:01,220 I go this is far distant future more 848 00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,049 closely closer technology that might be 849 00:38:10,839 --> 00:38:08,960 available is something that miguel 850 00:38:13,450 --> 00:38:10,849 alcubierre II called the the warp drive 851 00:38:16,690 --> 00:38:13,460 in deference to Gene Roddenberry and 852 00:38:18,549 --> 00:38:16,700 that is a ship that would be able to get 853 00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,559 to Alpha Centauri which is four 854 00:38:24,430 --> 00:38:20,720 light-years away again in approximately 855 00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:24,440 a week to two weeks if you take it easy 856 00:38:31,930 --> 00:38:28,609 and that goes along the route of being 857 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:31,940 able to compress the distance between 858 00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:35,690 you and your destination and extend or 859 00:38:40,990 --> 00:38:38,240 distend the distance between you and 860 00:38:45,309 --> 00:38:41,000 your origin this is a manipulation of 861 00:38:46,660 --> 00:38:45,319 the fabric of time and space I just like 862 00:38:49,509 --> 00:38:46,670 that sentence fabric of time and space 863 00:38:51,970 --> 00:38:49,519 and it you know and people don't 864 00:38:55,870 --> 00:38:51,980 understand what this fabric is it's a 865 00:38:58,450 --> 00:38:55,880 construct that describes how the 866 00:39:02,680 --> 00:38:58,460 universe actually is put together and if 867 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:02,690 we can compress that then we are we are 868 00:39:07,569 --> 00:39:05,450 no longer constrained in the same way 869 00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:07,579 that you're constrained in our 870 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:09,920 four-dimensional space what I mean by 871 00:39:14,259 --> 00:39:12,410 that is as a person in a spaceship you 872 00:39:15,490 --> 00:39:14,269 can't travel faster than the speed of 873 00:39:17,769 --> 00:39:15,500 light as a matter of fact you can't 874 00:39:19,470 --> 00:39:17,779 travel at the speed of light you be 875 00:39:22,660 --> 00:39:19,480 converted to pure energy at that point 876 00:39:24,999 --> 00:39:22,670 so how is it that we can go the four 877 00:39:26,380 --> 00:39:25,009 light years that means traveling at the 878 00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:26,390 speed of light would take four years to 879 00:39:31,569 --> 00:39:28,910 get to Alpha Centauri how can we do that 880 00:39:34,890 --> 00:39:31,579 in a week and not have violated that 881 00:39:38,259 --> 00:39:34,900 speed limit the reason is because by 882 00:39:40,930 --> 00:39:38,269 distorting the fabric of space we are 883 00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:40,940 literally sitting still and we're 884 00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:45,200 pulling the universe past us that you 885 00:39:49,779 --> 00:39:47,089 can do at any speed there's no violation 886 00:39:52,539 --> 00:39:49,789 no speed limit carry on no ticket 887 00:39:55,140 --> 00:39:52,549 officer okay it's not going to happen so 888 00:39:58,359 --> 00:39:55,150 we won't violate any rules that way now 889 00:40:02,079 --> 00:39:58,369 it is actually and I'm getting to you 890 00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:02,089 photographer go it actually is something 891 00:40:10,810 --> 00:40:06,880 that would be a fairly reachable 892 00:40:13,060 --> 00:40:10,820 technology in say another 300 years 893 00:40:15,370 --> 00:40:13,070 and it's considered reachable enough 894 00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:15,380 that nASA has funded a lab to 895 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:18,560 investigate it congressman yeah now 896 00:40:26,050 --> 00:40:22,490 Marco asks what's you Fattah glad to if 897 00:40:28,570 --> 00:40:26,060 an alien technology is civilization is 898 00:40:30,430 --> 00:40:28,580 using any of these propulsion concepts 899 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:30,440 that we're talking about they're going 900 00:40:36,490 --> 00:40:34,130 to leave what I call skid marks in our 901 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:36,500 four dimensions from that interaction 902 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:38,690 with dimensional travel or warp travel 903 00:40:43,150 --> 00:40:41,330 and that those skid marks are something 904 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:43,160 that will show up in our four dimensions 905 00:40:47,260 --> 00:40:44,810 we're not going to see them traveling 906 00:40:49,390 --> 00:40:47,270 inter-dimensionally or you know in in 907 00:40:52,540 --> 00:40:49,400 that capacity but we'll see the 908 00:40:56,860 --> 00:40:52,550 transition perhaps between that travel 909 00:40:59,140 --> 00:40:56,870 and becoming a four dimensional that's 910 00:41:01,870 --> 00:40:59,150 frantic evidence mark that's exactly 911 00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,880 right and for us we don't believe a 912 00:41:06,070 --> 00:41:03,440 photo is enough we don't believe a 913 00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:06,080 single reading is enough with our system 914 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:09,230 that's you photography targa short for 915 00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:11,570 this is what you want to know Marco UFO 916 00:41:18,190 --> 00:41:15,680 and photography now that's sort of it 917 00:41:19,690 --> 00:41:18,200 was created by douglas trumbull very 918 00:41:23,410 --> 00:41:19,700 dear friend of mine he created the first 919 00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:23,420 one and it was a Humvee out a Humvee 920 00:41:27,340 --> 00:41:25,730 vehicle with a hydraulic doors on the 921 00:41:29,020 --> 00:41:27,350 top that would open in this gigantic 922 00:41:30,940 --> 00:41:29,030 Fiat alight would raise up on a 923 00:41:32,860 --> 00:41:30,950 hydraulic lift with four or five 924 00:41:35,140 --> 00:41:32,870 telescopes and night vision and gamma 925 00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:35,150 ray detector on it and it would look at 926 00:41:39,820 --> 00:41:37,880 the sky and try and seek stuff that 927 00:41:41,410 --> 00:41:39,830 didn't belong i'm saliz Homeland 928 00:41:44,910 --> 00:41:41,420 Security didn't show up when he 929 00:41:49,390 --> 00:41:44,920 displayed how who says they didn't huh 930 00:41:51,220 --> 00:41:49,400 now think the fact is I said the Doug 931 00:41:52,990 --> 00:41:51,230 when I I started working with Doug 932 00:41:58,450 --> 00:41:53,000 around five years ago now I guess four 933 00:42:00,190 --> 00:41:58,460 or five years ago and uh I looked at 934 00:42:02,170 --> 00:42:00,200 that system and I said this is the most 935 00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:02,180 profoundly interesting system I've ever 936 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:04,310 seen this is heading down the path of 937 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:06,410 finding the real answers and Doug was a 938 00:42:11,590 --> 00:42:08,330 good friend of Jacques valet all right 939 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:11,600 said I agree but you know it's this one 940 00:42:15,550 --> 00:42:14,090 vehicle it's hugely expensive no one 941 00:42:17,230 --> 00:42:15,560 wants to pay to have a fleet of these 942 00:42:20,410 --> 00:42:17,240 made and they said well then let's not 943 00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:20,420 do it let's make him small he goes what 944 00:42:24,580 --> 00:42:22,310 do you got and I said I have an idea and 945 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:24,590 we sat down and I sketched out a bay 946 00:42:31,390 --> 00:42:27,290 design for what I thought we could do in 947 00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:31,400 the size of a large serving dish and it 948 00:42:36,310 --> 00:42:33,230 would require multiple cameras some 949 00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:36,320 radiation detectors and communication 950 00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:39,710 systems because these units wherever 951 00:42:43,210 --> 00:42:40,910 they're deployed would be able to 952 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:43,220 communicate not only with us but with 953 00:42:48,820 --> 00:42:46,850 each other and get confirmation of 954 00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,830 sightings between themselves kind of 955 00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,720 like Huey Dewey and Louie from silent 956 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:51,920 running which of course was one of 957 00:42:58,510 --> 00:42:54,050 doug's movies Doug no did that entire 958 00:43:00,730 --> 00:42:58,520 movie and and we might actually haven't 959 00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:00,740 told Doug this yet but we might actually 960 00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:03,260 call the units Huey Dewey and Louie just 961 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:06,830 uh you know as a defense the movie but 962 00:43:10,570 --> 00:43:08,930 in George those were cartoon characters 963 00:43:12,970 --> 00:43:10,580 when you when we were growing up they 964 00:43:15,370 --> 00:43:12,980 were called who he doing Louie yeah but 965 00:43:17,410 --> 00:43:15,380 that that's right those were with those 966 00:43:20,890 --> 00:43:17,420 popeyes nephews or something I where 967 00:43:23,650 --> 00:43:20,900 they were they were geese or ducks or 968 00:43:27,070 --> 00:43:23,660 something but it was doing doc sniff 969 00:43:29,590 --> 00:43:27,080 yeah I'm date yeah that that's okay but 970 00:43:31,690 --> 00:43:29,600 the still the thing is with with uh with 971 00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:31,700 the movie Bruce Dern in the movie called 972 00:43:38,140 --> 00:43:34,310 them Huey and Dewey and so forth and I 973 00:43:39,610 --> 00:43:38,150 think Louis got killed because he got 974 00:43:40,930 --> 00:43:39,620 torn off while passing through Saturn's 975 00:43:43,780 --> 00:43:40,940 ring or something really really great 976 00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:43,790 movie but know that all said we believe 977 00:43:48,610 --> 00:43:46,310 that with these units they're gonna have 978 00:43:50,740 --> 00:43:48,620 several sensors and cameras on board and 979 00:43:53,590 --> 00:43:50,750 you know we're not just talking about 980 00:43:55,570 --> 00:43:53,600 this you know it was about a year and a 981 00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:55,580 half ago that I started talking to 982 00:44:00,460 --> 00:43:57,650 scientists that I know in some of the 983 00:44:02,620 --> 00:44:00,470 National Laboratories so we have people 984 00:44:04,690 --> 00:44:02,630 on board who have worked on the 985 00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:04,700 Clementine lunar orbiter the Mars rovers 986 00:44:09,850 --> 00:44:07,910 and these are real scientists you know 987 00:44:11,830 --> 00:44:09,860 they have satellites in orbit over a 988 00:44:14,590 --> 00:44:11,840 head right now that they've created and 989 00:44:16,420 --> 00:44:14,600 worked on and so when they do these 990 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:16,430 types of projects they're right the 991 00:44:20,410 --> 00:44:18,410 first time they have to be right going 992 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:20,420 out the door it's a little bit different 993 00:44:24,010 --> 00:44:22,250 from other projects where you have an RD 994 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:24,020 grew up any kind of just you know you 995 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:25,610 try something it fails you go back to 996 00:44:29,350 --> 00:44:27,170 the drawing board these guys have to 997 00:44:30,670 --> 00:44:29,360 design it right from the get-go so what 998 00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:30,680 I've done is I've sat down with them 999 00:44:34,540 --> 00:44:32,510 we've gone through the design is I've 1000 00:44:36,940 --> 00:44:34,550 come up with the land based version of 1001 00:44:38,410 --> 00:44:36,950 this unit 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